DEA spied and collected data on those who bought money-counting machines



By now, most of us probably are aware of the massive amounts of data collected on each and every one of us and is maintained out at the “Utah Data Center” aka NSA Spy Center. Add this gem to the collection pile. I for one want to know more about these “blanket administrative subpoenas” that are being used that I keep hearing about. Easy to pass this off as a “who cares.” Money counting machines you say?  But it is the arrogance of our government that should be chilling.The government is collecting anything and everything. How much more that we don’t know about?

The Drug Enforcement Administration maintained a database of people who purchased money-counting machines as part of a “legally questionable” effort to identify suspected drug dealers for further surveillance and enforcement efforts, the New York Times reported on Saturday.


Beginning in 2008, the DEA began issuing “blanket administrative subpoenas to vendors to learn who was buying money counters,” all of which had “no court oversight and were not pegged to any particular investigation.” They then assembled a database of “tens of thousands” of individuals who had purchased the devices, using the information as leads in investigations.

Before we get to the meat of this abuse, let’s take a refresher as to why we should care and why this must be stopped.


NSA Utah spy center revealed – 100 years of total data stored

Filmed from Redwood Road, you can see the progress of the NSA’s Utah Data Center as it was being built also called the NSA Spy Center. There are quotes from various individuals who are knowledgeable or have worked for the NSA.




Back to the story:

The public version of the report, which noted that the program might not be legal, was heavily redacted as part of a DEA-inspector general joint process. But the Times wrote that due to a mistake, the inspector general failed to redact a section where it was mentioned that the DEA was not mentioning where their leads were coming from in case files:

Human Rights Watch researcher Sarah St. Vincent, who first flagged the redaction mistake, noted a 2008 email in which a DEA official wrote, “Unless a federal court tells us we can’t do this, I think we can continue this project.” Vincent told the Times that was curious, as the secrecy of the program precluded any judicial review. She also noted that it appeared to be an example of parallel construction, in which investigators attempt to conceal how a particular investigation began to avoid scrutiny in court.

According to the Times report, the DEA program was one of those shut down after Snowden leaked a massive archive of U.S. government secrets, including the existence of an NSA program to collect bulk metadata on Americans’ domestic phone calls; that program was later declared illegal by courts and replaced by Congress with a scaled-down program. (That successor program itself may be on the way out.) The controversy surrounding bulk records collection programs appears to have spooked the DEA.

Another DEA program “that used administrative subpoenas to collect bulk logs of outgoing international phone calls from the United States to countries linked to drug trafficking” was shut down in 2013, the same year as FBI agents raised their suspicions about the money-counter sales records program and it was discontinued, the Times wrote. According to the Washington Post, the inspector general report “came as close as it could to” declare the phone-data operation illegal.

The collection of the outbound international calls was “not connected to specific investigations or specific individuals under investigation” as would be necessary to justify it under law, Deputy Inspector General Bill Blier said in a statement. “This use of the subpoena authority conflicts with court decisions stating that a federal agency’s issuance of administrative subpoenas must be for records relevant or material to a specific investigation.”

More at  Gizmodo

Below, William Binney describes in detail how the whole system works.

NSA Utah Spy Center Holds Ribbon Cutting ceremony -Videos




NSA collecting phone records of millions – sent to secret Utah Spy Center?

Thanks to WhatFingerNews for the coverage


21 Responses to “DEA spied and collected data on those who bought money-counting machines”

  1. dave drake Says:

    I remember reading about the massive NSA center in Utah; thanks for finding that video. Last summer was ground-breaking for another NSA center in Albuquerque. How many centers do we not know about? It’s frightening.


  2. Kid Says:

    When everything went digital, I knew they had everything. As an aside, I believe they run the VPN’s and other such ‘privacy’ mechanisms since anyone who uses such technology flags themself as someone who might have something to hide. They got ya coming and going.

    Personally I don’t care what they know about me. Bastards aren’t going to chip me though, and really don’t need to anyway if you’re carrying a cell phone, have On-Star, etc, etc.

    Liked by 1 person

    • bunkerville Says:

      Trump and his gang never had a chance. Anyone really believe Clapper and Brennan didn’t run all of them through Utah? Laughing myself silly as we chase the tail of Russia Russia Russia.


  3. Steve Dennis Says:

    Too many people seem to have that “if you are not doing anything wrong you don’t need to be worried” attitude and that is why the government keeps getting away with things like this. Someday when every single aspect of our lives are being monitored these people are going to look back and understand they should have heeded the warning, but by then it will be too late.

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  4. Mustang Says:

    If the American people ever elect another communist to the White House, the question of money counting machines will become moot —none of us will have any money to count. I’m not sure why a used car dealer would need a money-counting machine, but if someone wanted one of these machines, shouldn’t they have a right to purchase them? Does the government spend our money wisely by investigating each and every purchase of these machines? Should someone have to “affirm” to a law enforcement officer their reason for wanting one?

    On the other hand, if one can believe anything the IRS tells us, money laundering constitutes the largest criminal activity in the US. It is a complex offense that can encompass numerous financial transactions and paper trails are the key aspect to these investigations. Beyond this, if you can believe anything the FBI tells us, money laundering is how criminals funnel illegal money into legitimate commercial enterprises.

    I found one website that lists as corollary to money laundering such crimes as fraud, identity theft, drug trafficking, and organized crime. The last of these seems somewhat nebulous. Are they talking about the organized criminals associated with the Rainbow Push Coalition? Meanwhile, rather than investigating persons who purchase (on the open market) money-counting machines, how about spending more time investigating charitable donations made to Islamist organizations?

    Back to my lead sentence, European countries are already discussing “open access economies” which means that all financial transactions will be through debit cards. All the better to monitor citizens, of course. I am by now convinced that leftists love utterly stupid ideas.

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    • bunkerville Says:

      Any large scale business that handles cash transactions would have one. they say.. tens of thousands… The law up to now was one had to have a reason spy… a suspected crime… Now we have administrative subpoenas. FISA courts.
      Pretty easy to see how Obama had so much info on Trump and his gang.

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  5. Always On Watch Says:

    George Orwell’s 1984 is 21st Century reality — never mind that the metaphor is often overused. It fits!

    I’m glad that I’m as old as I am.

    Liked by 3 people

  6. markone1blog Says:

    To all the libs out there: this started under your much-worshiped Obama.

    To conservatives: this is the deep state that needs to be eliminated. They want to make it look like any company big enough to buy a money-counting machine will be a drug-running entity. Look for raids on your local Home Depot and Lowes.

    Liked by 2 people

    • bunkerville Says:

      An excuse to spy…. I posted frequently back in 2013 and earlier…at the time we were supposedly wearing tin foil…. but it was all true.

      Liked by 2 people

    • petermc3 Says:

      If DC keeps printing its Monopoly money it’ll need to sub contract to those with their machines to help count it all. Surely that’s why they’re surveilling them. Gotta go take my meds now….👽

      Liked by 2 people

  7. petermc3 Says:

    Knowing where each and every drug cartel is headquartered and who each and every kingpin eats his lunch the US along with other governments, if they had the least bit concern about the civilized world being overrun by the drug problem, would suspend habeas corpus for any and all drug “personnel” and kill them all. Alas, outside of waging our phony “War On Drugs”, no government gives a flying f__k. We can’t even get MS-13 out of our high schools. It seems to be not in their best interest to upset the drug applecart. Keep in mind where there are
    money counting machines there is untaxed revenue. That’s what’s important. Just my uneducated opinion.

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