Respite -The Times They are a Changin


I caught this old Bob Dylan tune on the radio this week. Seemed like a good pick for a Sunday respite.  It brought back memories. Good bad and indifferent.

At the time, our parents were worried about us. The Vietnam war, Lyndon Johnson, the bomb, and other things.

John Kennedy was assassinated. Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King. Kent State University when we learned the government in the form of the Ohio National Guard could turn on us, kill us, marching forward with fixed bayonets. A lesson never forgotten, seared white hot in our memory, for those of us who were on college campuses. For those of us who had a friend at Kent State.

My first political tome -The John Birch Society with “None dare call it Treason.” Of course it was tin foil hat material, or so they said. Was it? Were they?

Dylan came up with this tune and said it all, we thought at the time. We as kids were going to take on the world. Fix it.

Now forty years later the world is taking us on. And our kids. Now it is us that need to be the political activists. What happened? Who would have thought it was going to turn out this way?

Yet I would not change the time or place in which I had this life, not even for one nanosecond. I hit life’s jackpot.

I chose Peter Paul and Mary to do the song. I loved them, their folk songs and their concerts. I caught a concert in their early years with thousands of others, and lucky to catch them in the twilight year for Mary with a couple of hundred.

Only fitting that I choose a clip of them in their later years to sing it. Then, Crosby, Stills and Nash – Four Dead in Ohio. Here goes:

Senators Congressman do heed the call, don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall, for the times they are a changing.



Kent State University May 4, 1970. Are we going to go through this again? Four dead, 9 injured.

Four Dead in Ohio –




20 Responses to “Respite -The Times They are a Changin”

  1. Adrienne Says:

    I too enjoyed Peter, Paul, and Mary. However, you do realize that they, as well as Pete Seeger and many of the other folks singers, were communists.

    Hubby played guitar for the Chad Mitchell trio when they participated in the all star folk concert at the 92nd St Y (1993) in New York. Chad lives in Spokane and was in desperate need of a guitarist so hubby agreed to go. Pete Seeger was in the line up as well as Burl Ives. Ives was shunned by the folk peeps because he cooperated with the communist hunt in the fifties.

    In 1950, Ives name appeared in a pamphlet called “Red Channels”. The publication identified individuals in the entertainment industry with communist ties or simply connections to leftist politics. HUAC began investigating and a number of individuals became scared. Ives cooperated with HUAC and volunteered to appear. He declared that he was never a communist but had accompanied Pete Seeger to a number of union meetings and rallies. Ives would claim he did this to remain connected to the working class, but in front of the committee he was forthcoming about “naming names”.

    Unfortunately, the folk community would not forgive and forget easily. In 1993, Ives was invited to appear at an “all-star” benefit concert at the 92nd Street Y that was honoring folk music and the artists had appeared there. Seeger and Ives were invited, to the horror of many. The two were kept separate backstage. Ives, who was still persona non grata and 83 years old at the time, was met with a cold reception by the audience. After Ives played a few songs to polite applause, Pete silently walked out on stage and without saying a word, bent over and kissed Ives on the top of his head and then started singing “Blue Tail Fly” with Ives. A simple gesture that spoke volumes.

    It turned out that Seeger was a huge fan of hubby’s teaching articles in various guitar and banjo magazine back in the day. They had lunch together, and hubby said he was a very likable chap despite his extremely left leanings. We still have a framed napkin where Seeger wrote out his version of something hubby had in one of his articles. He said hubby’s version was better.

    The Vietnam “War”, as well as Kent State, were both major clusterf*cks of inept, corrupt, and probably criminal leaders. There’s a slew of Veit vets in my history club and listening to their stories has done a lot to change my opinion on many things.

    Mustang’s comment is spot on and echoes so much of what I hear from the vets in my history club.

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    • bunkerville Says:

      I am with you as far as who they were/are. I guess my point was that we were just as radical on the other side, and two sides were bound to clash and I see that in the works now.
      I still enjoyed their stuff. I enjoyed folk music and the tales they spun regardless. A far cry from the bop that had been a staple of the ’50s. As I said in one comment. The Commies were everywhere as far as my family was concerned. In retrospect, they were laying their foundation for what is now. What was tin foil is not so much tin foil.
      The main point, is that under the name of the Ohio National Guard, there were those who could quite possibly have Daughters, Sons, Sisters Brothers, Nieces and Nephews attending Kent.. still they were willing to kill.
      If we think the government can’t get the military to kill us, think again.


      • Adrienne Says:

        Having lived through Ruby Ridge up close and personal, I am well aware of what the “government” is capable of doing. Most of it is not good.


  2. the unit Says:

    Being just a bit 🙂 older, I remember this song and artists.
    Kavanaugh or Lindsey the bugle boy. (Yeah, I’m coughing and sputtering, but…..)

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  3. Mustang Says:

    When I was but a year old, a fellow who called himself Ho Chi Minh led a nationalist movement in Vietnam which demanded that France relinquish its colonial hold on his country, which was called Viet Nam. At that time, he appealed to Harry S. Truman (a Democrat) for assistance in recognizing Viet Nam as a free and independent country. He even used words taken from a speech by Thomas Jefferson to make his appeal. But Minh was a communist and Truman didn’t want anything to do with him. Besides that, Truman (did I mention he was a Democrat?) supported the French in reclaiming their former colony.

    Truman passed the presidency along to Dwight D. Eisenhower, who also had to face the situation in Vietnam. Eisenhower firmly resisted any military involvement in Vietnam, beyond sending advisors to help train elements of the South Vietnamese army. This policy was turned around under the administrations of John F. Kennedy (who ordered the assassination of South Vietnam’s president, Ngo Dinh Diem) and Lyndon B. Johnson (both Democrats). In 1964, Johnson manufactured the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which led to the deployment of tens of thousands of young Americans to serve in Vietnam. We were there in force from 1965 to 1972.

    I was one of those young Americans. I wasn’t a conscript; I joined the Marines in 1962. I served two tours of duty in Vietnam (1966-1967 and 1970-1971). I’ve been to Vietnam on three occasions, the last being in 2012.

    Meanwhile, back in the states, as mothers, fathers, wives, and children sent their loved-ones off to fight for the people of Republic of South Vietnam, communist enclaves in the United States began to organize anti-war movements. One of these was the SDS, who happened to organize nation-wide student demonstrations against the war. None of us who served in uniform back then had anything at all to do with establishing policy that led us to war, or the inane policies that prosecuted it … we just helped to fight it. And while we were fighting it, communist led far-left demonstrators back home … which is to say the militant arm of the Democratic Party, worked over time to deny American servicemen the honor that was due us for going into harm’s way and defeating a well-armed, determined, and clever enemy … in furtherance of our “national interests.”

    Note: North Vietnam’s leading general was stymied when the United States “gave up and went home.” In his book, General Vo Nguyen Giap told us that at that time, North Vietnam was “defeated.” Still, we came home with our tails between our legs.

    But the fact is, nothing we did in Vietnam was in the national interests of the United States. The policy of elected Democrats (as with the Korean War) simply ordered us, in the pursuit of our duty as servicemen, to confront communist forces in South Vietnam. We did that. We didn’t deserve to be called baby killers. We didn’t deserve to be spit upon when we came home. If anyone wanted to despise the policy our government employed during the Vietnam War, then ought to have castigated the makers of those policies, not the people who carried them out. And have I mentioned that these architects of national policy were Democrats?

    No one I knew in the military ever supported what happened at Kent State. Nor did what happened there have anything at all to do with Richard Nixon. The governor of Ohio orchestrated that fiasco, not Nixon. What Nixon did, in ordering an expansion of the conflict into Cambodia, was to try to cut off the logistics train of the communists who we were fighting on the ground. Far left demonstrators seized upon this opportunity to further inflame college students (none of whom had a clue about what was a stake in the prosecution of the war, but all of whom might have been subject to the military draft) … and these efforts were made in concert with the agents of North Vietnam to demoralize the troops on the front lines.

    So yes … the sentiment expressed in the songs of the day were (and remain) germane. But we must not forget the vast network of communist sympathizers, operating within the United States, who were working overtime to help defeat US policy at home. Within this group we find the early participations of Aryeh Neier (leader of the SDS) (today, a communist professor in France), who was a shill for George Soros, and the Democrats who sent young men into harm’s way for no good reason. This all makes one wonder why anyone today, given the horrific history of the Democratic Party, would ever vote for a Democrat politician.

    So, 58,000 Americans died in Viet Nam doing their duty. Almost everyone I know who served in combat, are by definition, “anti-war.” Judging by more recent history, this country of ours has never learned its lesson. The lesson I learned, over the span of my life, is that no American politician can be trusted to do the right thing.

    I apologize for this long comment … I simply do not know how to be concise when it comes to complex issues. Still, there is not a day that goes by that I don’t remember my fellow Marines who went home from Vietnam for burial.

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    • bunkerville Says:

      Well done as always Mustang. Thanks for the early history, hazy in my memory. Now without the draft, there are few if any complaints as to how or why we wage war…..
      At the time, my family considered fighting communism our duty. On land, sea, air, in our books, in our government, in our schools.
      Looking back, things are no longer so black and white. But what did and remains permanent in my psyche is that under the right circumstance and conditions, fellow Americans could and would kill each other.
      I had a friend at Kent.. I recall both having to deal with what happened. Never will I forget.

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    • petermac3 Says:

      Excellent overview and history lesson for those who don’t know. The dem war gods supported Diem and then killed him. A precursor to Hillary’s killing of Khadafi? Perhaps. These is a book titled The Tears of Autumn, a novel in which it is hypothesized that the South Viets assesinated JFK in payback for killing Diem. A good read.
      As for Truman he was a bum…look it up; LBJ surely inhabits one of the levels in Dante’s inferno where hopefully he saves seats for Jimmy, Barry, Bubba and Pant Suit Lady.

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    • the unit Says:

      None needed Mustang (apology). I wasn’t in combat ever then. Did what was required of me with due diligence and understanding of duty and mission to be accomplished. Medical in Bldg 15 at Camp Lejeune. Keeping and getting Marines healthy and through Camp Geiger (’66-’68) headed for Camp Pendleton and then…there.
      Remember the innoculation gun and the lines? 🙂
      I’ve often wondered how many young Marines I saw went and got home.
      One in particular. Whose name from 50 years ago escapes me. Asked me did I know his hometown Doc in Northern NY? I’m sure he thought…why wouldn’t I?

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  4. geeez2014 Says:

    Yes, the times they ARE a changing’….Four Dead in Ohio ….they sang against the establishment, didn’t they…….now it’s the establishment under astonishing attack, good people with traditional values besmirched, mocked, attacked, and maybe destroyed by the likes of leftwing politicians, CNN, MSNBC, Bill Maher, Michael Moore….all those who have a ton of dough to push their hate.
    May nobody die. I believe if there’s an appointment open after Kavanaugh (if he does get in), it’ll be far worse , and death will have to accompany it because the left’s not finished with simply bringing sexual charges. It won’t be enough next time.

    Mrs. Kavanaugh asks we pray Psalm 40 over their family. I pray we do.
    Good post, Bunk.

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  5. petermac3 Says:

    Eve of destruction (Barry Maguire) anyone? And while not as apropos how about Country Joe and The Fish singing the We’re all fixing to die” rag? And maybe we should throw in Ball of Confusion from the tall, tan and talented Temptations. Then of course for the hardcore anti-whatever crowd we have Ritchie Haven’s Freedom. Whatever we were protesting then pales in comparison to today’s hi-jacking and possible dissembling of our constitution. While it is a beautiful day here in Bergen County it is disturbed by the background noise coming from DC.

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    • bunkerville Says:

      Beautifully written Peter…great picks and I’ll have to run them again and take a listen.”
      “While it is a beautiful day here in Bergen County it is disturbed by the background noise coming from DC.” I hear the sound of drums in the distance. Hope I am wrong.

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    • Kid Says:

      I have Ball of Confusion on my playlist. 1971. Not much has changed. You wouldn’t have to change a single lyric, but maybe add some more problems to the song.

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      • bunkerville Says:

        Now there is an oldie moldie that I had to check out to recall. Yep, covered it all. A bit different for the Temptations who usually were more mellow as I recall….


  6. hocuspocus13 Says:

    Beautiful Day…going down to the boardwalk later on…jersey shore! Have a Wonderful Day…all

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  7. Linda Says:

    Times are a changing and not for the good, sigh. Have a beautiful day friend. smiles (pouring rain and only 45* here in western NY.)

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